E: [28:56] I think we actually do have some — I probably won’t get all of them, but we do have some basic principles here…
E: …One that I was communicating on a mutual aid group yesterday is: Burnout. In other words, do not make yourself the only point of contact for someone with constant needs.
M: That’s so important.
E: Thank you.
Because what happens, no matter how much you care, you will eventually run out of the ability to help them — and if you’ve made yourself their only point of contact, that will eventually result in you abandoning them when they’re dependent on you and leaving them to find another person to help them.
M: Well that’s why we need a community that is interconnected and can communicate effectively with one another and are listening intuitively…
Oh! I may have bullet points! They’re just like they’re seeds. All the green growth got burned away by death and destruction, but the seeds are here, so… the more I belly laugh, which I’ve done a few times on this call, the more maybe I’ll just be able to spit out those bullet points.
And if I’m broadcasting radio, I’m talking to lots of people, and I’m getting practice repeating things, which is a valid radio real-world skill especially during the apocalypse.
E: Yes yes yes!
M: That is one basic principle that is amazing for having a radio.
Are there more basic principles that you can think of?
E: We’ve said community rather than a single point of contact because of burnout.
Now you have just touched on intuitive listening.
Intuitive listening is two things: One, a way of meeting people’s actual needs rather than the needs we think they have…
M: [bubbles of laughter] …(…why would you want to do that?…)…
E: I know, right?
It’s a way of helping people rebuild their neurons after trauma or illness (or traumatic illness). Because when you listen to someone and reflect back to them what they have said, it helps them know what they’re saying.
M: I feel so much relief to hear someone saying that other than me.
E: See, that’s a case in point.
M: Thank you!
So that’s two! What was the last one again?
E: Intuitive listening.
M: That’s so important.
And three is that people who do not have mainstream marketable capitalist skills… have… *because* of that… very valuable information to impart that they deserve to be paid money for… which will enable them to survive without being “a burden” on people who have more mainstream marketable capitalist skills.
M: This is an awesome morning show.
M: I totally forgot what you said. Having skills. Getting paid. What do we call in politics they have words for this, unappreciated or unpaid labor, the labor of women, the labor of prisoners, the labor of disabled people, the label of… I can’t talk. Labels is an interesting part of that conversation I will set aside for another time.
[32:37] You have been helping to organize this call so wonderfully. And while I will get off the line pretty momentarily, we seem to be right in the vicinity of an outro. What’s the culmination of this conversation? We made a Welsh triad of something. And the third one means that the end of the “episode” is near. So:
Could you just give me a quick recap? Because I don’t remember.
E: Yes! We have three things that we want to communicate to people.
ONE is: Community. Do not make yourself the only point of contact for someone with constant needs. Share those needs with a community, and then you will not burn out and abandon them; and nobody will be too burdened; and nobody will feel as if they are a burden which is good because nobody is a burden. Okay.
Point TWO is: Intuitive listening. Actually listen to people. Reflect back to them what they have said (and check that you’ve understood it correctly). That means (1) you will be able to meet their actual needs, not the needs that you assume they have, and (2), you will help them rebuild their brains after the trauma they’ve experienced.
Okay. Point three! I’m not gonna forget point three.
Point THREE is: People who don’t have mainstream marketable capitalist skills have — because of their experiences — incredibly valuable information to contribute that is worth money. And they should be paid for it. Not given charity, but paid for their valuable services.
Those are the three things.
M: I’m gonna go publish this.
E: All right!
M: Thank you!
E: You’re very very welcome!
Max & Evan Discuss Intuitive Community – Intuitive Public Radio